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Terry Waters

Terry Waters

1963-1972
5
Other Guernsey Nos.
1, 2

163 CFC Games Played

181 CFC Goals

Date of Birth
14 December 1943
Date of Death
27 July 2020
Recruited From
Dandenong
Collingwood Debut
Round 2, 1963
Height:
188cm
Weight:
85kg

Biography

It is a minor miracle that Terry Waters ever played for Collingwood. There were four other clubs chasing him, his brother had played for Hawthorn, he neither supported nor even liked Collingwood, and his VFA club wanted to block his path to the VFL. The major stumbling block, however, was much simpler: his mother hated the Magpies!

The Waters clan’s antipathy towards Collingwood can be traced to brother Bryan’s senior debut for Hawthorn. That game was against the Magpies, and the newcomer was unceremoniously flattened early in the match. After that, the Collingwood name was mud in the Waters’ household. So when Terry and his father headed off to Victoria Park one night to talk to Jack Burns and Gordon Carlyon, it was not surprising that Mrs Waters’ parting words were: “Whatever happens, don’t let him sign with that club”. Her husband confidently assured her there was “no chance” of that happening. A few hours and some persuasive words later Terry returned home a Collingwood player for life.

Fortunately, even Mum had come around by the time of Terry’s first game. That is just as well, because her boy was virtually an instant hero. Playing against North Melbourne in the second game of the year, Terry started off ruck-roving. He kicked a goal, but was switched to full-forward in the last quarter where he bagged a further four. Three weeks later against Melbourne he kicked seven, and the Magpies had found themselves a new goalkicking hero.

Waters had arrived at Victoria Park surrounded by the kind of hype befitting the game’s glamour goalkickers. He had come under notice with Dandenong in the VFA in 1961, where he had followed older brother Bryan after the latter’s brief foray with Hawthorn ended (he won the Liston Trophy in 1959). St Kilda looked to have signed Terry at the end of ‘61, but Terry’s dad thought he was too young and the deal fell through. When Collingwood approached a year later, however, the time was right – but Dandenong then threw a massive spanner in the works when they blocked Terry’s clearance. The Magpies took out a Supreme Court writ against the Redlegs and eventually won the day, but it was messy.

The tug-of-war over Waters became big news leading into the 1963 season, ensuring that there was plenty of media attention on the rookie. But he was unfussed, and had a sensational first season. After those two early bags against North and Melbourne he managed further hauls of eight against South Melbourne and seven against Richmond, ending the year with 50 goals to finish second in the VFL goalkicking behind Hawthorn’s John Peck. He was named Collingwood’s best first year player and polled third in the Copeland Trophy count. It was a dream start to a career.

But Waters took all the adulation with the equanimity one would expect from a kid who’d grown up playing his footy in the back paddocks of Teddywaddy, near Charlton. His father worked with the railways and his mother was a postmistress, which meant the family moved extensively around the Mallee in those early days. Terry was born in Rochester, but received his early education in the school at Teddywaddy which had only about seven students. He had three older brothers, who made one of the back paddocks into a football field. It was that paddock where Terry Waters’ booming punt and drop kicks got their first airing.

The family moved to Dandenong when Terry was still young. There he attended St Mary’s, and won a scholarship to De La Salle College in Malvern. It was here that he played his first seriously competitive football.

The keys to Waters’ game were simple – strong marking and long kicking. He had a wonderful spring, a powerful, sure pair of hands and superb judgement. He was one of the safest and strongest marks in the game. “Terry was a tremendous player,” recalled former teammate Peter McKenna recently. “Certainly one of the best overhead marks I’ve seen. He had great judgement, a great pair of hands and could mark a wet ball like it was dry. And everything was one-grab – no juggling.”

Those qualities meant coaches and selectors almost always liked to play him at centre half-forward or full-forward. Waters himself felt he was better suited to playing as a follower or ruck-rover, where his canny reading of the game often allowed him to settle in a kick behind the play, or to break up opposition attacks with timely intercept marks. He preferred to make the game rather than be opposed to defenders whose sole intent was to spoil and punch.

So it was that Waters didn’t actually last long as Collingwood’s Great White Hope at full-forward. He managed 40 goals in 1964, but by the following year – with Peter McKenna now at the club – he had been reassigned to on-ball duties, resting in either the forward or back pocket. And it was there that he established himself as an outstanding VFL player, his game highlighted by consistency and strong marking around the ground, especially deep in defence. He won the Copeland Trophy in 1966 – so very nearly a Premiership year – and finished third three years later. He won interstate selection for three years out of four, was named the club’s vice-captain in 1967 and was selected in the all-Australian side after the ANFC carnival in 1969.

By this time his beaming face, receding hairline and prominent white ankle bandages had become a familiar part of the Victoria Park scene. When Des Tuddenham was stripped of the captaincy after his preseason “strike” of 1970, it was the loyal deputy who took over.

That meant Waters had the misfortune to be leading the team when it capitulated in the second half of that year’s Grand Final. The next year, coach Bob Rose made it clear he wanted Tuddy to resume the captaincy but the board refused – meaning Waters had to do the job knowing he wasn’t his coach’s first choice. Far from ideal.

To make matters worse, Waters found his form failing him for the first time in 1971. The game was changing, and slower, bigger ruck-rovers were becoming a thing of the past. He was also hit by injuries. Waters lost confidence in his own game, and found it impossible to get it back. Late in the season he was shattered to be taken from the field during a game against St Kilda, describing it as “the greatest insult of my career”. A few days later he resigned the captaincy, and did not play again that year.

When the season ended, Waters let fly in a newspaper interview in which he claimed he had been the victim of a campaign to undermine him. He also slammed the club itself, saying it needed new blood, a new coach, new players and some fresh thinking. Rose resigned soon afterwards.

Perhaps surprisingly, Waters returned to play in 1972 under new coach Neil Mann. But he could recapture neither his enthusiasm nor his form, and retired after the Round 6 game against Hawthorn at Victoria Park. He concentrated mostly on his long career with Carlton and United Breweries after that (firstly as an industrial chemist and later rising to a senior position in the packaging area), before reappearing at Victoria Park in the 1980s as a successful businessman who formed part of the short-lived New Magpies regime.

Even if he wasn’t the full-forward the Magpies were searching for, Terry Waters still ended up carving out an outstanding career. He will be remembered as a wonderfully consistent performer and a great servant who was one of the best high marks of his era. And if fate had been a little kinder, he would also be remembered as a Collingwood Premiership captain.

– Michael Roberts

Statistics

CFC Career Stats

Season played Games Goals Finals Win %
1963-1972 163 181 11 63%

CFC Season by Season Stats

Season GP GL B K H T D Guernsey No.
1963 17 50 0 5

1963 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 2 North Melbourne L 5 0 5 View match >
Round 3 Hawthorn L 1 0 5 View match >
Round 4 St Kilda L 1 0 5 View match >
Round 5 Melbourne W 7 0 5 View match >
Round 6 Fitzroy W 3 0 5 View match >
Round 7 Essendon L 2 0 5 View match >
Round 8 Carlton W 1 0 5 View match >
Round 9 Western Bulldogs W 2 0 5 View match >
Round 10 Sydney W 8 0 5 View match >
Round 11 Geelong L 4 0 5 View match >
Round 12 Richmond L 7 0 5 View match >
Round 13 North Melbourne L 1 0 5 View match >
Round 14 Hawthorn L 2 0 5 View match >
Round 15 St Kilda L 3 0 5 View match >
Round 16 Melbourne L 0 5 View match >
Round 17 Fitzroy W 2 0 5 View match >
Round 18 Essendon L 1 0 5 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1964 19 42 0 0 5

1964 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Fitzroy W 2 0 5 View match >
Round 2 Geelong L 0 5 View match >
Round 3 Western Bulldogs W 2 0 5 View match >
Round 4 Sydney W 4 0 5 View match >
Round 5 Carlton W 4 0 5 View match >
Round 6 Essendon L 3 0 5 View match >
Round 7 North Melbourne W 7 0 5 View match >
Round 8 Richmond W 3 0 5 View match >
Round 9 Melbourne L 5 0 5 View match >
Round 10 Hawthorn L 1 0 5 View match >
Round 11 St Kilda W 1 0 5 View match >
Round 12 Fitzroy W 0 5 View match >
Round 13 Geelong W 2 0 5 View match >
Round 14 Western Bulldogs W 1 0 5 View match >
Round 17 Essendon W 1 0 5 View match >
Round 18 North Melbourne W 2 0 5 View match >
Semi Final Melbourne L 2 0 5 View match >
Preliminary Final Geelong W 1 0 5 View match >
Grand Final Melbourne L 1 0 0 5 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1965 17 25 21 218 43 261 5

1965 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 St Kilda L 1 1 16 4 20 5 View match >
Round 2 Richmond W 2 1 17 3 20 5 View match >
Round 3 Hawthorn W 4 3 21 2 23 5 View match >
Round 4 Geelong L 2 16 2 18 5 View match >
Round 5 Carlton L 2 1 21 3 24 5 View match >
Round 6 Melbourne L 8 5 13 5 View match >
Round 7 Sydney W 2 1 8 1 9 5 View match >
Round 8 Western Bulldogs W 3 1 8 1 9 5 View match >
Round 9 Essendon W 2 3 12 1 13 5 View match >
Round 10 North Melbourne W 5 4 9 5 View match >
Round 11 Fitzroy W 1 3 13 2 15 5 View match >
Round 12 St Kilda W 1 8 1 9 5 View match >
Round 13 Richmond W 2 13 3 16 5 View match >
Round 14 Hawthorn W 2 2 18 1 19 5 View match >
Round 15 Geelong W 8 1 9 5 View match >
Round 16 Carlton W 1 1 9 5 14 5 View match >
Semi Final St Kilda L 2 2 17 4 21 5 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1966 15 11 5 197 37 234 5

1966 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Hawthorn W 1 21 2 23 5 View match >
Round 2 Fitzroy W 15 5 20 5 View match >
Round 3 Essendon L 2 15 2 17 5 View match >
Round 4 Richmond W 1 2 21 5 26 5 View match >
Round 5 North Melbourne W 1 1 19 4 23 5 View match >
Round 6 Melbourne W 0 5 View match >
Round 7 Western Bulldogs W 14 14 5 View match >
Round 10 St Kilda W 1 0 5 View match >
Round 11 Carlton L 9 3 12 5 View match >
Round 12 Hawthorn W 5 15 5 20 5 View match >
Round 13 Fitzroy W 1 1 13 2 15 5 View match >
Round 14 Essendon L 10 4 14 5 View match >
Round 18 Western Bulldogs W 13 3 16 5 View match >
Semi Final St Kilda W 16 16 5 View match >
Grand Final St Kilda L 0 0 16 2 18 5 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1967 19 13 15 281 44 325 2

1967 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Geelong L 4 3 14 3 17 2 View match >
Round 2 North Melbourne W 1 2 13 2 15 2 View match >
Round 3 Essendon W 1 15 3 18 2 View match >
Round 4 Western Bulldogs W 1 13 1 14 2 View match >
Round 5 Sydney W 17 1 18 2 View match >
Round 6 Carlton L 21 1 22 2 View match >
Round 7 St Kilda W 1 17 6 23 2 View match >
Round 8 Richmond W 1 2 16 6 22 2 View match >
Round 9 Fitzroy W 13 4 17 2 View match >
Round 10 Hawthorn W 13 3 16 2 View match >
Round 11 Melbourne W 17 2 19 2 View match >
Round 12 Geelong L 1 21 1 22 2 View match >
Round 13 North Melbourne W 15 2 17 2 View match >
Round 14 Essendon L 11 2 13 2 View match >
Round 15 Western Bulldogs L 2 2 15 1 16 2 View match >
Round 16 Sydney W 1 9 2 11 2 View match >
Round 17 Carlton W 2 2 18 2 20 2 View match >
Round 18 St Kilda L 1 11 1 12 2 View match >
Semi Final Geelong L 1 12 1 13 2 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1968 15 9 4 233 42 275 2

1968 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Richmond L 17 1 18 2 View match >
Round 2 Fitzroy L 3 1 15 1 16 2 View match >
Round 4 Geelong L 20 3 23 2 View match >
Round 5 Hawthorn W 2 15 5 20 2 View match >
Round 6 Essendon W 18 8 26 2 View match >
Round 7 Carlton L 1 15 4 19 2 View match >
Round 8 Melbourne L 1 3 10 4 14 2 View match >
Round 9 Sydney L 7 3 10 2 View match >
Round 10 Western Bulldogs W 22 4 26 2 View match >
Round 12 Richmond W 2 21 2 23 2 View match >
Round 13 Fitzroy W 16 2 18 2 View match >
Round 14 St Kilda W 23 23 2 View match >
Round 15 Geelong L 13 13 2 View match >
Round 16 Hawthorn L 11 3 14 2 View match >
Round 18 Carlton L 10 2 12 2 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1969 21 15 9 323 44 367 2

1969 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Hawthorn L 17 2 19 2 View match >
Round 2 Richmond L 16 1 17 2 View match >
Round 3 Melbourne W 14 2 16 2 View match >
Round 4 Carlton W 3 20 4 24 2 View match >
Round 5 St Kilda L 2 3 5 1 6 2 View match >
Round 6 Western Bulldogs W 18 3 21 2 View match >
Round 7 Fitzroy W 6 1 21 1 22 2 View match >
Round 8 Sydney W 12 12 2 View match >
Round 9 North Melbourne W 21 2 23 2 View match >
Round 11 Essendon W 1 1 11 2 13 2 View match >
Round 12 Hawthorn W 16 4 20 2 View match >
Round 13 Richmond L 1 2 21 1 22 2 View match >
Round 14 Melbourne W 1 13 1 14 2 View match >
Round 15 Carlton L 1 1 13 4 17 2 View match >
Round 16 St Kilda W 1 10 1 11 2 View match >
Round 17 Western Bulldogs W 15 3 18 2 View match >
Round 18 Fitzroy W 17 1 18 2 View match >
Round 19 Sydney W 18 4 22 2 View match >
Round 20 North Melbourne W 19 2 21 2 View match >
Semi Final Carlton L 12 2 14 2 View match >
Preliminary Final Richmond L 14 3 17 2 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1970 22 6 9 320 52 372 1

1970 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Western Bulldogs W 20 1 21 1 View match >
Round 2 Richmond W 15 1 16 1 View match >
Round 3 Hawthorn W 1 2 15 1 16 1 View match >
Round 4 Geelong W 11 2 13 1 View match >
Round 5 Melbourne W 9 1 10 1 View match >
Round 6 North Melbourne W 19 3 22 1 View match >
Round 7 Fitzroy W 14 14 1 View match >
Round 8 Carlton W 9 4 13 1 View match >
Round 9 Essendon L 20 2 22 1 View match >
Round 10 St Kilda W 1 8 2 10 1 View match >
Round 12 Western Bulldogs W 12 2 14 1 View match >
Round 13 Richmond L 2 15 1 16 1 View match >
Round 14 Hawthorn L 2 19 2 21 1 View match >
Round 15 Geelong W 1 12 3 15 1 View match >
Round 16 Melbourne W 12 1 13 1 View match >
Round 17 North Melbourne W 14 4 18 1 View match >
Round 18 Fitzroy W 1 14 6 20 1 View match >
Round 19 Carlton W 2 20 3 23 1 View match >
Round 21 St Kilda W 1 16 6 22 1 View match >
Round 22 Sydney W 1 13 2 15 1 View match >
Semi Final Carlton W 1 17 4 21 1 View match >
Grand Final Carlton L 0 0 16 1 17 1 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1971 12 9 2 152 41 193 1

1971 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Western Bulldogs W 1 14 3 17 1 View match >
Round 2 Richmond W 1 18 2 20 1 View match >
Round 9 Sydney W 1 14 2 16 1 View match >
Round 10 Hawthorn L 1 7 1 8 1 View match >
Round 11 Carlton W 8 3 11 1 View match >
Round 13 Richmond W 1 18 3 21 1 View match >
Round 14 Essendon W 10 4 14 1 View match >
Round 15 Fitzroy W 16 8 24 1 View match >
Round 16 North Melbourne W 9 8 17 1 View match >
Round 17 Melbourne W 1 15 1 16 1 View match >
Round 18 Geelong L 5 16 4 20 1 View match >
Round 19 St Kilda L 7 2 9 1 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
1972 6 1 3 63 15 78 5

1972 Season stats

Hide Season
RD VS Result GL B K H T D Guernsey No. Match Report
Round 1 Richmond L 1 9 1 10 5 View match >
Round 2 Carlton D 1 11 3 14 5 View match >
Round 3 Melbourne W 19 4 23 5 View match >
Round 4 St Kilda L 1 5 1 6 5 View match >
Round 5 North Melbourne W 1 10 4 14 5 View match >
Round 6 Hawthorn L 9 2 11 5 View match >
Legend
  • #Guernsey
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • DDisposals
  • MMarks
  • TTackles
*Player goal statistics included VFA (Victorian Football Association) results.
Totals 163 181 68 1787 318 2105
Avg/Game   1.11 0.42 10.96 1.95 12.91
Legend
  • GPGames Played
  • GLGoals
  • BBehinds
  • KKicks
  • HHandballs
  • TTackles
  • DDisposals

Key Facts

CFC Debut Number

650

Total AFL Games
163
Total AFL Goals
181
CFC Debut
Round 2, 1963
CFC Last Game
Round 6, 1972
Recruited From
Dandenong
Full Name
Terry Waters

Awards

  • All Australian
    1969
  • Life Members
    1972
  • Most Consistent Player
    1966
  • Best First Year Player (Harry Collier Trophy)
    1963
  • x2
    Leading Goalkicker (Gordon Coventry Trophy)
    1963, 1964
  • CFC Hall of Fame
    2010
  • E.W. Copeland Trophy (Best and Fairest)
    1966
  • x2
    Third Best and Fairest (J.J. Joyce Trophy)
    1963, 1969
  • x2
    Team Captain
    1970, 1971
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